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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 02-15-2004, 12:15 AM Thread Starter
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I have a 97 Golf GL and I would like to do some sort of a motor swap. Can anyone tell me what the best would be for the best performance increase, without adding nitrous or any of that stuff. I would like to do the r32 engine, but I dont know how hard it would be to fit. Any info would help a lot. Thanks
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an r32 engine would probably be pretty tight... and you might have to completely gut the front end to fit it, not to mention how freaking expensive it would be... i say if you have the money, more power to ya, if not, stick with a reg. vr6
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by obsessedubber:
an r32 engine would probably be pretty tight... and you might have to completely gut the front end to fit it, not to mention how freaking expensive it would be... i say if you have the money, more power to ya, if not, stick with a reg. vr6<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the only reason that i dont want to do the vr6 is because whenever someone wants to do a swap, the first thing they think of is that or now, its the 1.8t
i just want to do something else so it doesnt feel like i am following the crowd, you know?
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Well considering that mk3s come with the 2.8l VR6 stock it wouldn't be anything special. The 3.2l R32 Engine is still a vr6. There are only a handful of 1.8t's in mk3's out there. DBW is the hardest swap to do. If your simply looking for power, just turbocharge the engine u have no, which im guessing is a 2.0. But you wouldnt want to swap a 2.8l vr6 into your car. It would be stupid since you can just sell your current car and buy one. Possibly make the vr a forced induction motor, funds permiting.
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The R32 has been on the US turf for what... a week now? You're not going to find an engine, and if you do it's going to be at least $6000.

DBW is a pain in the ass, but if you must... then just do a 24v VR6 from a late MK4. They're easy to get, and not many people tackle that swap. I think I've seen one in a B4 Passat, and a MK1, that's about it.

Other than that there aren't many options. If you did a 12v VR you'd look like an idiot for not just buying one in the first place, a 16v would be backdating which is a NONO. A 16v head on an ABA block with a turbo is good, or N/A with custom pistons is good, but it involes mucho work and fabrication.

Really the 1.8t is super simple to put into the MK3 if you start with an early A4/Passat motor. You end up using most of your pulleys and accessories for the swap and you can make it look almost factory. Plus the potential for 400hp on stock internals is nice.

You'll juat have to deal with the fact that we only get 4 different chassis to use, and a small handfull of engine configs... someone else is going to have done it before you. Just build it for yourself.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fourt1thirty:

DBW is a pain in the ass, but if you must... then just do a 24v VR6 from a late MK4. They're easy to get, and not many people tackle that swap. I think I've seen one in a B4 Passat, and a MK1, that's about it.
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...and one twin turbo one in a New Beetle.
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i have the engine for you:

W8.

You'd be the only one on your block my friend...then again, you would probably have to sell your place to pay for the swap, not to mention that it would handle worth crap. But hey, I would sure give you mad props if you were able to put it off...
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yeah everyone thinks 1.8t or VR and you want to go away from the norm but the fact of the matter is you dont have many more choices and plus you would only be differnt for a week or a month till the next guy does it and then the next all it takes is some cash if you want the easy way to go turbo charge the 2.0 the more expensive but the way i would go is a 1.8T if you do a vr it just another mk3 vr6 more power yes but you know if you got the bones do a 1.8t who wouldnt want a 300+ hp monster on pump gas
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You could always swap in an Air-cooled Beetle engine, say a 2300 or something like that and build some horsepower out of that. That would definately be original. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

seriously, there are few options when it comes to VW and engine swaps, and thats b/c VW makes the most of every motor they make.

My suggestion is to pick the engine you feel the most comfortable with, swap that in, and then do mods to make it individual.
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It might be the least expensive to throw an MK3 VR6 in there and spend the extra money on modifying it. If you don't do that, I would say a 1.8T would probably be the easiest. Other than that you have a 24V VR6, which probably would be just as easy at the 1.8T, and after that you get into stuff that would be REALLY difficult. You obviously don't want to use an engine older than your car. I would say your only options are a MK3 or 4 12V VR6, 24V VR6, or 1.8T.
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Someone please explain to me why you would want to swap a vr6 into it? It will be 4 lug, w/ 10.1 breaks, rear drum, ect...buy a car with a vr6 stock and tune that, seriously that boggles my mind!
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yeah i agree with you there by the time you invest the money you could have bought one and started to work on it
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why not make your 2.0 ABA a 16 valve and turbo that, that is what i was thinking of doing, now i'm considering getting a vr6 and t-boing that or just buying a turbo vr right off the bat to do more mods to.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JaydeEnergy:
why not make your 2.0 ABA a 16 valve and turbo that, that is what i was thinking of doing, now i'm considering getting a vr6 and t-boing that or just buying a turbo vr right off the bat to do more mods to.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, buy a VR car and your 10 steps ahead already.
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Heres the thing. If you had a 4 door golf or a Cabrio (things not available in the U.S. or Canada with a VR6) then doing a VR6 swap is acceptable. Also, if you want to be different, slap a 2.0 16V head on a 2.0 ABA 8V block, and run with that. You could also do a hybrid motor...slam a 1.8T head on an ABA block, and build the motor for forced induction...you would most likely have to run standalone engine management on that one...but a factory system could work as well, depending on your budget.

Anything is possible if there is time and money.
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