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Hi there, I have a newly stripped reverse gear in my 86 Golf (oh man, please don't ask) that needs some attention. Ever try to get by without a reverse gear in your daily driver? Makes life pretty interesting...

Anyways, I'm just wondering if it's possible to repair/replace the gear itself, or if it's just easier to replace the whole tranny. If the latter, which 5spd transmissions are compatible and from which models/years? I just have the standard 8 valve 1.8 in there...

Oh, and btw, how bad is a tranny swap job on this car? I only have engine/tranny swap experience on rwd Datsuns....

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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It might be easier to source a used trans than try to dismantle it to change out the reverse gear. Plus there could be more damage than you know of, and it could get costly. A tranny sway on a fwd isn't terrible difficult, and it's even easier with a lift! Where are you located?
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true, true, and true. not to mention the hassle of an unknown amount of downtime while the tranny is out. find a good replacement, swap it out, maybe do the clutch while I'm at it, and be done.

so am i restricted to mk2 jetta/golf gearboxes only?

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it would probably cost you at least 250 to have it rebuilt in a shop like ours. At least. which meens any extra damage would raise the bill. and that's if you pull it out and bring it to us. I would get a used one. get a new clutch kit. a sachs will work nice. and you can get a gti tranny or any other tranny thatcame in the mk1 or mk2. You could do it in a weekend. a day if you work quickly. that's if it's your first time. and don't forget to get the flywheel turned at a shop. don't put a new clutch on a worn flywheel.
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Is it a 16v?
4Ks will fit, came on the 1.8 rabbit GTIs and 8V 'rocco's. Have to change the outputs from 90mm to 100mm. G60 02A swap can be done with some work, or the AGB, 2Y, both 16v trannies(Just install a differential bolt kit and save your money for a LSD and a great clutch. Unless you are pushing over 200hp this is more than fine). I the stock 8v for the MkII was the 9A, I have heard that the 4K is one of the better choices. I have also heard to stay away from the MkIII trannies, the gear ratios are too tall, and the reverse gear is known to go. Good luck!
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awesome, great info guys. thanks. just to clarify, any mk1 or mk2 golf/jetta 5spd tranny will work without any modifications? i'm mostly interested in a quick get-me-back-on-the-road option as opposed to a performance upgrade.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by babzenuda:
awesome, great info guys. thanks. just to clarify, any mk1 or mk2 golf/jetta 5spd tranny will work without any modifications? i'm mostly interested in a quick get-me-back-on-the-road option as opposed to a performance upgrade.

robert.
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Hooray for the stripped reverse idler!!!

Anyways... NO. You're limited to trannies from MK2s and 4cyl MK3s. Some late MK1 trannies work (4K (84 gti), FF). Most anything '84 and later like late Sciroccos and Cabriolets. The 9A is usually thought of as a MK2 GTI tranny but also came in '85 and later Cabriolets.
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no, the tranny swap isnt that bad...it took like 2 days for a first time auto to manual swap for me...so manual to manual will be a snap...the hardest part is replacing the transmission back into the car...well it was for me at least
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AWSALK3:
no, the tranny swap isnt that bad...it took like 2 days for a first time auto to manual swap for me...so manual to manual will be a snap...the hardest part is replacing the transmission back into the car...well it was for me at least<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i work in a trannt shop and we have tranny jacks, but i found it's 10 times easier to pull it out by hand. Just lay under it and pull it out of the clutch then swing the diff end down and it comes out pretty simple. then the opposite to go back in. Just take off the passenger side axle flange and it's alot simpler. they can be a headache the first timee. But once you do a couple they're not too bad.
ya know i was jsut thinking. You may not be able to take off the axle flange. You needa big pair of vice grips(it's spring loaded) and snap ring pliers. but if you can do it then it makes it easier.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HidRo:
excuse me! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
i also have problems in a 86 gti 16v tranny
i saw here 4k trannys.what is that!?what difrence does it makes from my actual!?what gearbox is the best option for me!?the 16v is the best!?
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4K is the close ratio tranny that came in '84 Rabbit GTIs. The final drive ratio is different. You'll get better acceleration but at the cost of gas mileage (and higher RPM on the highway). If you want to change to a 4K you'll need to use a clutch disc for an 8v.
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excuse me! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
i also have problems in a 86 gti 16v tranny
i saw here 4k trannys.what is that!?what difrence does it makes from my actual!?what gearbox is the best option for me!?the 16v is the best!?
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hummm,more gas mileage,more acceleration,maybe less vel,humm...and the fact,that should be dificult as hell to find!!!at least here in portugal!!
maybe,the 16v is the best right!?
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OK, so I found a tranny from an '86 Golf *diesel*... same year, same car, but diesel. Is this compatible with a gas engine from the same model/year? Are the gear ratios different, and if so, is it significant?

Basically, thumbs up or down?

Thanks again,
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I'm pretty sure the diesel will work. They have closer gear ratio's from what I hear. All else fails, right no there are two vw golf transmission on ebay one thats at $100 bucks with no reserve and one for $125 buy it now. Transmissions are usually about $50 bucks to ship around here in the U.S. I dont know about Canada.
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You can reuse a tranny. Destroying it and changing to reverse gear is not really a practical solution. It will cost you more and you'll end up finding more damage. JFryauff is right: A tranny sway on a fwd is even easier with a lift!


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