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Forgot my password so I had to re-register, hence the 1st post.

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2002 Jetta 1.8T
115k miles
Bought two years ago with 90k and told that timing belt was replaced at 80k.

I was at a stoplight saturday when the car suddenly dies. It wouldn't restart either (cranking but not catching).

Have it towed to my mechanic and he says the timing belt is bad! Argh. I HOPE there;s no damage, so I have him replace the belt. No such luck - he replaces the belt and calls to tell me the 1st cylinder is frozen (bent valve).

He estimates $2500 in parts and labor (new valves, machine the head).

So. I want to cut costs of course. Do I:

>spend $500 on a used 1.8T head, with only 56k miles and pay for install?
>spend $?? on a 'new' performance built head (anyone know of a reputable source?) and pay for install?
>just have my mechanic do all the work for $2500?

This really sucks. I was just about to pull the trigger on ECS' stage 1 clutch kit, get a short shifter, and lower this btich.

Any help, suggestions, been there done that, if I had to do it again, etc. will be much appreciated.
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ok.... maybe you guys can point me toward reputable shops that sell rebuilt / remanufactured heads?

Goog search isn't turning up much.
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Did the mechanic say how much just the valve work would cost? 2500 seems a little high to have the head rebuilt and installed.
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$1,480 for RR (18.5 hrs at $80 per)
$280 for the machine shop to pressure test and resurface
$400 to replace the valves and lifters in ONE cylinder only
$100 for a water pump
$200 for gaskets, seals, coolant, bolts.
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$2,460

Labor is the majority of the cost above.

So. If I'm gonna come out of the pocket like that on labor, I want to get a fully built head. Not just fix one cylinder.

There has to be a source that sells rebuilt / reman heads for less than $1,880 ($400 x4 cylinders, plus $280 pressure test/resurface).

OEM rebuilds?
Race built?
How about used?
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18.5 hours to replace the head, waterpump and timing belt? I would say that it should take less than half of that to do the job.
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Pretty sure that time is from the FSM?
Anyone have one handy to double check?

Back to the topic - Anyone know of places that sell rebuilt / reman heads for these cars?

I was pointed toward eurospecsport.com.

Any other good sources? Goog searches are doing nothing for me.

Help!
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18.5 hours seems like a lot to me. I did a similar job on my 97 Golf a few years back and I only spent about 16 hours total under the hood. So a professional shouldn't take longer than me.

It sounds like he's charging you for each job, when the waterpump doesn't take as long since the head and timing belt are removed.

Has the head been taken off yet? The pistons need to be checked for damage as well.
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400$ for valves/lifters in one cylinder is more than twice what it costs for new ones from what Ive seen, and that's new ones for all 6 cylinders on a 12v vr6
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APTuning - Cylinder Head for 20v AEB Motors :: Audi & VW autoparts
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Has the head been taken off yet? The pistons need to be checked for damage as well.
Thanks for the link. Too bad it's an AEB - I need an AWP engine code.

He's taking the head off now and will be checking the pistons for damage.

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400$ for valves/lifters in one cylinder is more than twice what it costs for new ones from what Ive seen, and that's new ones for all 6 cylinders on a 12v vr6
That $400 is parts and labor for 5 valves.
The 2002 1.8T has 20 valves.

Anyone ever heard of this place: ADC Cylinder Heads

Re-build Your VW/Audi 1.8 Liter, 98-05 Passat, 99-05 Jetta/Beetle, 97-05; A4, 20 valve, DOHC,Cast AMB, AWM,AWB,AEB,ATW,AWP; Pickup & dlvry Incld.

$789 to rebuild this head sounds like an unreal price. And that's with shipping included.
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